tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3605713505742350776.post7066816710849638177..comments2023-10-12T11:25:27.308-04:00Comments on I'm Thinking...19: Thoughts on Lost - The IncidentScotthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00155737107718849274noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3605713505742350776.post-85933612298573355042009-06-05T12:44:11.773-04:002009-06-05T12:44:11.773-04:00Eddie - thanks for the clips! Just makes me want t...Eddie - thanks for the clips! Just makes me want to go back and watch all 5 seasons back-to-back.<br /><br />Josh, and the ever-present Anonymous - Great stuff...I don't know, honestly, how deep they are going to go in the "God" and "Satan" thing, but I think we are all on the right track.<br /><br />Brian - thanks for posting, and congrats on the adoption!Scotthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00155737107718849274noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3605713505742350776.post-47239490936194476252009-06-05T12:13:25.290-04:002009-06-05T12:13:25.290-04:00A looong but good post on the finale!
I love watc...A looong but good post on the finale!<br /><br />I love watching these three clips again. Shows how brilliant the writers are.<br /><br />http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hn-g8OmkEIE<br /><br />http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mvOo1Ckz1m8<br /><br />http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TpNJyP23e_0EddieSkihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04938661196996316130noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3605713505742350776.post-79676069318839399072009-06-05T05:33:18.356-04:002009-06-05T05:33:18.356-04:00I somewhat agree with anonymous. The connection t...I somewhat agree with anonymous. The connection that I saw between the Jacob encounters was that they were all God-like. He pays for Kate's transgressions and tells her to "go and sin no more". He is there during what to Jack, is an extremely pivotal moment in his life. He's there on the worst day of Sayid's life. He's there to comfort Locke on the worst day of his life (and possibly raise him from the dead). (Also: "I'm sorry this happened...". God is omnipotent, but Man has free will, and Locke's fake dad used his to push Locke out of an 8 story window. Jacob is sorry that happened to someone he care's about.)He's there at Sun and Jin's wedding (an oath before God). The answer to "what lies in the shadow of the statue" is "He that will save us all". I'm not saying that Jacob is God, but he was certainly presented as a God-like entity.<br /><br />And I'm not sure if Essau is Satan, but that case can certainly be made. He lies, manipulates, dresses in sheep's clothing, causes fear (smokey),chaos and corruption, etc. He can't hurt Jacob without a loophole, and Jacob basically letting him. <br /><br />Have we ever seen Richard lie? If we have, I can't remember. He serves Jacob (honestly) and has eternal life, great looks, and perfect eyeliner. Ben lies when he breathes, and we've all seen how he's been treated. (On a side note: During the hiatus, someone needs to recap all of Ben's butt-whoopings. It has to be in the dozens by now.) <br /><br />I think next season we will get to see more of how our characters have been manipulated or affected by these 2 forces along the way. <br /><br />I don't think "The Island" is a conscious being, as we've all thought for a long time.I think these 2 forces are all there is, and the island is their stage to carry out their rivalry. <br /><br />Concerning everyone's reasoning for blowing up the Island: We all would have rather never to have met Kate, so let's blow it all up. STUPID. The worst writing we've seen so far on the show. But, I agree, Scott, everything else in the episode made up for it. I think the writers needed to blow it up, to illustrate that even with an H-Bomb in a pocket of electromagnetism, what happened happened. The melodrama over Freckles was the vehicle they used. Poor choice, and I'll just try to ignore it in my remembrance of this otherwise flawless story telling.Josh G.noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3605713505742350776.post-43420019567943188592009-06-04T21:12:37.879-04:002009-06-04T21:12:37.879-04:00Ah. I get it now. More symbolism bro. Look, Jac...Ah. I get it now. More symbolism bro. Look, Jacob represents God. Your Esau represents the Devil. They are there from the beginning, together. And you know how some people wonder if God made other people and maybe started over? Maybe that is what they are conveying when it is mentioned that Jacob is bring more people over, even though I don't believe that way. Maybe bringing some over means Jacob is bringing some over to his side (good).<br /><br />And so, think with me now. Locke has died and come up again. Who does that look like in the Bible? Exactly. Jesus. So, maybe the writer of Lost make it look like Locke and Jacob are competing gods <--lower case "g". I'm not saying I'm right, but I'm trying to think like them if they think this way.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3605713505742350776.post-85697294823195135522009-06-04T20:36:06.492-04:002009-06-04T20:36:06.492-04:00Hee. I actually took a boatload of notes on this ...Hee. I actually took a boatload of notes on this one, and started a post, but never got around to publishing anything coherent. I couldn't decide between straight recap, a piece of criticism, a smorgasbord of theories or a 4 terabyte rant on why Kate screws up EVERYTHING I seem to like (Little known facts: she canceled Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles; tempted Eugene Robinson the night of the Super Bowl; traded the entire farm system for former BUG Teixeira; injured DJ Shockley before the Florida game; causes weather interference for DirecTV; raises taxes; and always screws up your order at the drive thru). True Dat.<br /><br />At some point in this long, long offseason, I'm going to try to examine some of this season ender's most perplexing mysteries. And I'm not entirely sold on the fact that Jacob is necessarily the good guy, either.<br /><br />Sigh, in the meantime, I'll just hate Kate.Shanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02912061891010047846noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3605713505742350776.post-2563892213509528022009-06-04T20:31:37.370-04:002009-06-04T20:31:37.370-04:00Awesome post as usual Scott ! I have to say that m...Awesome post as usual Scott ! I have to say that my favorite line of the episode was just after Jack dropped the bomb into the drill shaft, Sawyer looks at Jack and says, " This don't look like LAX Doc!"... this was priceless !<br /><br />The worst part of the finale was the white screen followed by the words "Coming in 2010" !<br /><br />Thanks for sharing your insight!<br /><br />BrianThe Wright'shttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13342692430289819644noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3605713505742350776.post-48728251713720594692009-06-04T20:25:23.837-04:002009-06-04T20:25:23.837-04:00So, does this count as your "wrap-up"? :...So, does this count as your "wrap-up"? :-)<br /><br />Yeah, if I had to give this one a grade, I definitely would have docked points for the Jack-Kate-Juliet crap. However, the whole Jacob/Esau/Locke/Ben story really saved it for me.<br /><br />Probably a B+.Scotthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00155737107718849274noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3605713505742350776.post-9197255535932289622009-06-04T19:57:09.375-04:002009-06-04T19:57:09.375-04:00Black Rock: my guess is during one of the island&#...Black Rock: my guess is during one of the island's "moves," it actually moved "under" the ship, hence putting it in the middle of the landmass.<br /><br />The casting of young Kate was fantastic.<br /><br />Frank didn't have too much to do in this one, but he cracked me up every time.<br /><br />The whole "Kate" motivation for everyone involved in the accursed quadrangle makes my blood boil. Sawyer "gives a look?" First, who cares. Second, Given a choice of Kate vs. Juliet, I'm taking Juliet (character, looks, whole package) 12 times out of 10. Juliet shouldn't have been jealous. Sawyer, despite his "look," was respectful and faithful in his words and actions. Jack's "plan," (if you can call it that), of blowing up the entire island and everyone on it, in order to (maybe) get Kate back, is STOOPID, even if he believes all of Dan's scribblings. Because Kate will be handcuffed, going to jail, and there's a good chance they won't even know each other. I'm usually more sympathetic to Jack than some, so is there a chance that he's NOT talking about Kate here (HE doesn't mention her by name, of course):<br /><br />JACK: Three years ago, Locke told me that all this was happening for a reason, that us being here was our destiny.<br /><br />SAWYER: I don't speak "destiny". What I do understand is a man does what he does 'cause he wants something for himself. What do you want, Jack?<br /><br />JACK: I had her. I had her, and I lost her.<br /><br />SAWYER: Kate? Well, damn, Doc, she's standing right on the other side of those trees. You want her back, just go and ask her.<br /><br />JACK: Nah, it's too late for that.<br /><br />Could it be Claire, his sister, whom he thinks is dead? Or some other reason that makes one of the central characters of the show look less like a complete self-absorbed f**kshovel?<br /><br />And don't get me started on Juliet's reasoning, either. Here's a character that I love, and think has been pretty canny and smart up until now. I've always thought there was more that she knew (about DI and island workings) that she wasn't letting on, and I can only hope that's the case (other than, "Hey, I got cast in an awesome looking V reboot, and y'all need to find a way to write me out, pronto!")<br /><br />The whole quadrangle thing kept this from being an "A" in my book, and really left such a distaste in my mouth that I would dock the two parter down to a B- for that alone. As I tweeted after the ep, "Kate Austin. F**king things up since 1977."<br /><br />Also "funny" in these scenes is that Sayid is BLEEDING TO DEATH, and the only two doctors around are off in the schoolyard angsting over who is going to the prom together, leaving the comic releif to hold the assassin's guts in his stomach.<br /><br />You're right about the "shaft" scene with Holloway and Mitchell. They've done stellar work all year, and will both be on my "Emmy Wish List" next week.<br /><br />There is A LOT to unpack in this one. Jacob/Esau. The tapestry. Ilana and crew, and their mission/"candidates." (Claire and Christian. Aaron and Walt. Basically unseen in "The Incident," but their questionable roles, forms, importance and "powers" are now thrown into a more supernatural, and metaphysical, context). Smokey. Locke. Ben. Dan's plan. Widmore's plan. Richard's nature and role. Ben's plan. <br /><br />It wasn't quite the jaw dropper of "We have to go back!" since we as viewers had some type of grasp on the stakes and where the players were then. Now? We got nuthin. Nuthin but time, and theories and brain twisting conjecture. Damn, I love this show.<br /><br />Nice write up, as always. Namaste.Shanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02912061891010047846noreply@blogger.com